Why can’t S60 provide a native threaded SMS experience?

Why can't S60 provide a native threaded SMS experience?I am REALLY liking the Nokia E75 (see my first impressions post) and find it to be a super messaging device with the new Nokia Messaging 2.0 software. However, there is one area of messaging that continues to frustrate me and I really wish Nokia would take some time to address the issue. Shoot, with the excellent work done by the recent Twitter application developers maybe one of them can take on this issue and solve it better than Nokia. The issue I am referring to is threaded SMS.

As a father of two teenage daughters and a third getting there, text messaging is something I do quite a bit and am really enjoying as a way to stay in touch with my girls during our busy day. On the iPhone, Windows Mobile devices, BlackBerry devices, and even my T-Mobile G1 I have threaded text messaging. Even the older Palm OS had this capability and actually set the bar with it for years on their Treo devices. I cannot understand why this functionality continues to be skipped by Nokia and am frustrated by this every day. Is threaded SMS something that only Americans prefer or am I missing something here?

Nokia did release the Conversation application on Nokia Beta Labs back in September of 2007. I actually do have this on my E75 and am using it, but I figured if they had it here in 2007 they surely could have integrated it into the OS and improved it since that time. While Conversation does give you a basic threaded SMS experience, it is a separate application and does not integrate into the native text messaging client so you need to launch it as a stand alone app. It does appear as a tab in the Contacts application so there is some integration. I personally have it setup as a Standby screen shortcut. Unfortunately, there is no S60 5th Edition support for my Nokia 5800 yet.

I read about another 3rd party client that looks very promising called iSMS, but it is an unsigned application that requires you to hack your device or sign it yourself for each phone you want to use it on. Ricky Cadden has a good tutorial on the signing process and I plan to try it out soon because I really want a better threaded SMS experience. The signing process looks fairly straightforward, but it really is a shame that users have to go through such a process just to get an application to make their device perform a function that every other mobile operating system now performs out of the box.

Anyone else desire a good threaded SMS experience? Anyone have feedback on using iSMS?

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62 Comments to Why can’t S60 provide a native threaded SMS experience?

Ricky Cadden
April 21, 2009

Thanks for the link. Free-iSMS is by far the best option out there – in fact, I wrote that tutorial so that I could cover Free-iSMS in a few days (there’s a new version just released today that I need to check out). It’s a fantastic application that Nokia should be ashamed they didn’t write themselves.

Stephen
April 21, 2009

I have not used iSMS, but I do have conversations on my e63, but at times it is flaky…it has crashed and rebooted my device a number of times, especially if I have conversations running and by mistake hit the message notification of a new text and it opens the standard text messaging service then I try to go back to conversation and it reboots. ugh! nokia fix it fix it :)

Ryan
April 21, 2009

I’ll be trying out iSMS on my E71 when I get home, have read the tutorial on signing apps. It’s one of the biggest gripes I have about S60, I just recently came over from WinMo.

kevin
April 21, 2009

I’m with you.. gravity should be used as an example of “what to do” when it comes to ease of use. The kinetic scrolling of gravity on the 5800 should be included on s60′s sdk as a function or class.

Imagine the 5800, n97 and future Nokia touch devices with Email, threaded SMS messages and web scrolling like gravity.

Brad Barbaza
April 21, 2009

Matt, I couldn’t agree with you more on this! My iPhone friends have actually started teasing me over this! Free-iSMS was recently posted on one of the E71 blogs and I was really looking into it but agree that it’s a shame one has to be a techie like us to do it.. Maybe if the developer gets enough support from us, he’ll look into releasing it signed..

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April 21, 2009
Tristan
April 22, 2009

I have tried most of the available solution, including ThreadSMS, and Free-iSMS is by far the best. My main issues at the time for trying ThreadSMS was that you would have to select the message and view it independently so that i would be marked as read, unlike in Free-iSMS were when you open the thread it will be marked automatically in full thread view. And that if you sent or received a very long message the whole message would mot show up in thread veiw, again you have to select the single message.

Brad Barbaza
April 28, 2009

Any updates?

Rhonda Rice
April 30, 2009

I too have been using Conversations for threaded SMS on my E71. It could use some improvements but better than nothing. Will have to give Free-iSMS a try now. I agree something more efficient using Gravity as example that was standard on the device would be a solid addition.

Scott
May 11, 2009

Matthew, is it possible to install isms on the E71x?

Louis
May 22, 2009

Just saw http://www.ehandysoft.com/threadsms.htm .The 1.9 version has supported iPhone style SMS chat, it’s better than iSMS

Stetson
June 8, 2009

Sms thread was a big issue for me but I have also been searching everywhere for any form of of SMS Out of Office! Found it today! Pretty cool app and free too. smsautoreply.com It seems like Nokia should have this hard coded too. Who knows.

Peshtkir H.
June 21, 2009

symbian is running behind and that is kind of irritating, i have the threadsms and conversation app for my nokia N96 but the irritating thing is, it really isn’t user friendly because it is not integrated with the OS so when you get a new sms and it comes on display and read it goes back to its normaal sms app. so really using the other programs is just not user friendly and it really is slow.

symbian should really do something about it

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July 20, 2009

Hey Matt, can you teach me how to install “Conversations” onto the E75? I was using it on my E71 and it’s great, but couldn’t get it onto my E75 by following Nokia Beta Labs’ instructions. Did I miss something?

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July 29, 2009

this is one of the reason preventing me from getting the latest e72. why nokia still doesn’t understand the importance of threaded sms?

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September 8, 2009

I can’t wait for a much needed threaded SMS program that works well with the nokia 5800…

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September 21, 2009

Matt, Any chance to try either of these two?

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October 28, 2009

Nokia and Symbian have done some really good work over the years but they have really missed a trick or two! Threaded sms is almost unforgivable for the nokia developers to disregard. They had shortcomings to realise that simple everday interaction from phone is what determines the purchase of a new phone or to keep the existing brand. They have now made the necessary changes in the upcoming n900. Nokia should now see urgently that a DECENT threaded sms app is ready via a firmware update to the S60 operating system to deal with symbian phones going back to the last 3 years. Mobile phones are becoming even more sophisticated, aggressively competitive and expensive so we want the NOW phones we have to be more efficient with functionality. We all cant afford to buy the n900 or another brand phone because times are hard and we might just want to keep our existing phone a little longer because of financial constraints etc. It is inevitable symbian and nokia must listen because other competitors are gaining in the marketshare! I conclude now by saying I’m sure they realise now that they can’t get away from this demand and fast paced technology anymore. SORT IT OUT NOW NOKIA!!

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February 19, 2010

I just downloaded threaded sms and I’ve got to say it looks promising.

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can any one pls upload the signed in application i cant get through i need it for my e63 how do i get conversations in it

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many thanks for this thread.. i also followed the link.. im getting closer now to using my iSMS.. thanks a lot..

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Having used Free-iSMS, I must say ThreadedSMS is and impressive alternative for S60v5 (5300, N97, N97 Mini) devices.

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Sorry, ThreadSMS.

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October 17, 2010

Hi, May I please have the link to download the Conversation application compatible for Nokia E75? I found a downloadable link thru Nokia beta labs website, but the app doesn’t work on my Nokia E75 after several times of installing it. It would install but won’t work when I go to the Conversation app, it does nothing. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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This is to some extent resulting from our ever-present attempt to gain brownie tips instead of enjoy the night time sleeping in the kitchen in the pup, it can be per sizeable area because a good lack of education. Enquire your loved one what size my personal waist happens to be and he or she could certainly reveal without any second’s uncertainty. It genuinely isn’t which in turn rare outdoors this post perhaps along with the shopping list of advice to be able to ascertain would probably are comprised completely in: A particular – Available case entry way. Three : Wipe out effective apparel. Four ( space ) Verify music label and earn thought know among sizing. Especially a good chemistry of the brain may well address that may first thing the following day then again inspite of showing everyone I ought to apply it As i in no way honestly remember to. 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The exact discounts front desk staff very likely won’t believe these goods I buy is actually my home except in cases where I believe that something embarrassingly daft coupled with decide to wear false juggs. Believe it or not, there’s a superb opportunity she’s endured many people just like me, and people such as you, on a really consistent basis. You are aware, the person so, who skulks surrounding via the knickers exploring shiftily and therefore sweat considerably. In fact, arrived at consider that it’s like, it’s almost certainly preferred a lot more don’t try this, and travel specifically onto him fairly. She will more likely important. My partner and i seen a proof within a babydoll keep i eliminated from the body 3x individual therefore announced they will birthday gift compress the piece. 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