Help Dieter with Nokia – SPE Round Robin

Forget S60 5th (Symbian for Touchscreens) and go directly to Maemo. Come back in about 2 years after the rework of the UI with QT (if it’s not too late until then). If you want to try Symbian, try the non-touchscreens…

I’m going to have to agree here. Symbian is…well, it makes the BB OS look futuristic!

I really do think that Maemo is the way to go…

“Forget S60 5th (Symbian for Touchscreens) and go directly to Maemo. Come back in about 2 years after the rework of the UI with QT (if it’s not too late until then). If you want to try Symbian, try the non-touchscreens…”

Yep. I agree. Once Nokia works on smoothing out the interface on their touchscreens, then check them out.

Hmm, i would stick with it if your into Nokia hardware. Maemo is ok if a little too rough round the edges atmo and Symbian is improving every month. With a major revamp and capacitive hardware round the corner, it should be a compelling experience and worth investing in now.

Maemo will be for 2011.

I have to agree with the overall feeling here…

While the S60 has a sizable existing install base, but in my opinion, it no longer provides the flash and opportunity that consumers are starting to see in the newer platforms such as Maemo, WebOS, and iPhone OS. Nokia risks becoming the “Windows Mobile” carrier, serving the ’status quo’ of consumers–increasingly smaller audience–rather than attracting new buyers.

Maemo OS is basically a desktop Linux system in a tiny package, the mobile computer Nokia has been so desperate to sell to us. While the OS itself has power to spare, and offers far more potential customization and differentiation from iPhone-type platforms, it’s just not yet as optimized as it should be. The experience on paper is far better than the reality at the moment.

Nokia needs to pick one platform and stick with it. I don’t want to pick a platform, buy a bunch of apps, learn how to tweak the thing, etc. only to have Nokia decide to drop it a few months later.

@rijc99

Agreed. Nokia needs ONE platform to put their weight behind. As it is now, they’re divided and not effectively conveying their strengths to potential customers.

I can see why potential new Nokia users might be a little confused. But, I don’t see S60 going away anytime soon. With symbian going open source, more developments are coming all the time.

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I wouldn’t give up on Symbian just yet, with it going open source and all.

As for the metaphors… well… you just have to rely on memory for now

From a long time Windows mobile user, who switched to a E71 about 16 months ago. i agree that the OS is different, but after a little time with it, it becomes at least comfortable. Even though it can be frustrating when we S60 users know that there could and should be easier ways to get things done. The best part about S60, compared to Windows, is its stability. My phone just never, ever crashes or locks up. Push email, web, music play, and a Quick Office document can all be running with no problem. To each his own, but I’m looking forward to the continued evolution of the open source Symbian OS.

Nokia seems uncertain about what they’re doing. As a consumer, I don’t feel comfortable investing my money in time with them despite their strong history.

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Couldn’t agree more. Ditch the touch screen Nokias. The E71 is an amazing piece of hardware. The E72 should be better, but I heard about some minor software kinks.

I doubt if Nokia is going to completely move away from S60. S60 is a very mature OS. The thing with the new OS’s is that they look very nice and flashy, but when it comes to functionality, they aren’t so good. S60 doesn’t have the best looking UI…but it gets the job done. Thats what has kept me from going away from S60.

“Nokia seems uncertain about what they’re doing. As a consumer, I don’t feel comfortable investing my money in time with them despite their strong history.”

That right there is the comment that sums up Nokia’s position. No advertising means no consumer awareness means no consumer confidence in your platform. It certainly doesn’t help that Nokia seems to be wavering between two entirely separate operating sytems for their phone line-ups.

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““Nokia seems uncertain about what they’re doing. As a consumer, I don’t feel comfortable investing my money in time with them despite their strong history.”

Agreed. They kicked butt years ago….everyone I knew had some sort of Nokia. But now…

As with Steve Richter, I’ve used Windows Mobile for about 4 years now and I just purchased an E71x. I’m very familiar with Windows Mobile, and the E71x is all new to me. For me, I got used to some of the WM apps out there and am disappointed that there’s not a S60 version. Some of the menu organization doesn’t make much sense to me, but I’ve only had the phone for a week, so I’m sure it’ll grow on me.

As he said though, the stability has been amazing. With WM, I would have to soft reset the phone quite a bit (anywhere from once a day to a couple times a week). With the E71x, I haven’t had to reboot it once after I installed my apps, and it doesn’t slow down or hang either.

I don’t think S60 will be going anywhere anytime soon, especially since it has a large worldwide following.

The RF of the E71 doesn’t seem to have much competition. It appears to be better than any Windows Mobile phone I’ve used. They should also look into getting back into the CDMA world for the states. I think its a perfect cross between a dumbphone and a smartphone.

Went and played with an E71 today. My impressions were about what I expected. Decent but not great keyboard. Unimpressed with S60

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I agree with most of the comments about S60. Symbian is a bit underwhelming, but it is reliable. The bare basic OS works great for Nokia combined with the rock solid hardware. Apps do all the work, the OS and machine just needs to be reliable. Nokia has that down. Although I do like Blackberry keyboards better, all these keyboards still make the Pre/Pixi keyboards look like a joke.

“Although I do like Blackberry keyboards better, all these keyboards still make the Pre/Pixi keyboards look like a joke.”

Agreed. Worst keyboards ever. I’ll take T9 on a RAZR before those QWERTY.

@janky

I’m not so sure that dropping Nokia’s touch screen line-up would really do anything productive, unless you’re arguing for an entire re-think of their hardware strategy (which I don’t especially think is necessary, their hardware quality is quite good). They may, of course, want to prune back some of their many options, a plan I believe I read they’ll be putting into effect next year.

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I would go with the Maemo based on what I’ve heard. The S60 looks a little pale compared to the potential that Maemo has to offer.

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@janky I’m not so sure that dropping Nokia’s touch screen line-up would really do anything productive, unless you’re arguing for an entire re-think of their hardware strategy (which I don’t especially think is necessary, their hardware quality is quite good). They may, of course, want to prune back some of their many options, a plan I believe I read they’ll be putting into effect next year.

I don’t think they should. Touchscreen is the big thing right now and will continue to be in the future.

for me s60 is like a thinkpad from ibm/lenovo… sure there are hundreds of notebooks out there which are cool and all but when it comes to rock solid performance that you can rely on, you only buy a thinkpad…

s60=thinkpad

Dieter: you should use what you are most comfortable with, try it for a couple weeks and look for all the shortcuts that you can use on s60 to realise the os’ full potential… then make your choice if you like it or no… peace..

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Maemo is the nokia future! S60, in the qwerty ones, is stable and do well, but that’s all!!

s60/Maemo causes confusion among both consumers and developers.. they need to quickly phase s60 out to concentrate developmental resources on a single OS.

I’m not sure what Nokia’s future is Mateus…it’s rough right now.

Yes soccer, you’re right. But I trully believe Maemo will overcome symbiam soon because it haves this great versality.

I hope Maemo starts getting more apps, that will benefit it to overcome symbian in the future, although, symbian is still long live candidate…

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I don’t see why S60-Maemo product split is confusing. There are LG phones running a different OS on each phone as well as WinMo and Android. THAT’s confusing. Samsung has it worse because it also offers symbian.

@janky

But when developed platforms seem to be the way of the future, as a developer, which side am I going to back, knowing that the weight of Nokia could be shifted in the near future away from my chosen OS. I see consolidation ahead. Nokia desperately needs branding, and a unified smartphone platform could give them just that.

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Maemo probably demands an awesome hardware to run flawlessly, so it will take time to turn in a popular platform. So, I guess they both are ok by now. But, I believe Maemo will become prior in a couple of years.

Not an expert here (have had an E71, E75, and now an N97. But..

Underlying metaphors on the N97? It’s a non-touch-screen phone, with the touchscreen functionality overlaid on it — Nokia hasn’t fully realized the potential of the new interface. It makes sense if you’ve worked with S60 devices previously…

The Options button is (in apps) the menu softkey, and doubles as a Task Manager — kind of like HTC’s implementation of the [X] button in TouchFlo.

The OS actually does multi-tasking fairly well, but switching apps is not as easy as it could be.

-Rusty

@rusty

Generally agreed. The OS does hold quite a bit of potential that’s not currently being very effectively leveraged. I’ve also noticed that, while it tends to receive positive comments from those previously familiar with similar devices, it’s not yet especially easy for the average, non-techy consumer to see or appreciate any real ease-of-use benefits over competing platforms such as the iPhone, WebOS, or Android.

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I feel like Maemo should be the future for Nokia. Symbian may be mature and get the job done, but it needs an interface overhaul. If that happens, maybe it can continue, but with the proliferation of touchscreen phones it needs to be updated to function properly with a capacitive screen and I don’t know if it’s there yet

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Just got my first Nokia today.. I have been a faithful Blackberry user but due to an issue with my BB, and not being able to afford another, I decided to give Nokia a go.. It’s no Blackberry, but I love it so far..

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